Does a transcript of what social media posts describe as an "alleged leaked conversation" between Senator Mitch McConnell and former Congressman Kevin McCarthy authentically capture the contents of a private exchange between them? No, there is no proof for that: Neither in 2022, when the conversation supposedly took place, nor in 2025 did credible media outlets verify its authenticity. No evidence - documents, witnesses, recordings nor photos, was posted with it to permit independent verification that the words were the transcript of an actual conversation. Here is what we know about the transcript in question so far.
The claim appeared in a video (archived here and here) published on TikTok on July 21, 2025, under the caption:
July 2022
Alleged leaked conversation between Mitch McConnel[l] & Kevin McCarthy.
In the footage, a woman appeared to be listening to a male narrator saying the following:
...so I got the transcripts.
MITCH: We have to bring slavery back. Those were the good old days.
KEVIN: How will we do that? There's no way we can do that.
MITCH: Black people won't do it, but white people will.
KEVIN: How will we get white people to be slaves? That sounds ridiculous.
MITCH: We have to get rid of the separation of church and state. We must have state-funded religious schools.
KEVIN: I don't see where you're getting at.
MITCH: Those schools will have work programs for fourth- through eighth-graders.
KEVIN: I think I see where you're going here. How is that going to work?
MITCH: We get the kids to pick all the produce as a part of their work program to teach them the values of good old-fashioned blue-collar labor and the bounty of God.
KEVIN: I don't think that anyone will go for that.
MITCH: It's all about grooming. Start in the first grade, and by fourth grade, they'll be ready to do it.
KEVIN: But we already have people to pick the produce.
MITCH: We have to finish the wall.
KEVIN: No way that's going to happen.
MITCH: We'll find better ways to get the immigrants out of the United States.
KEVIN: By doubling ICE.
MITCH: Yes.
KEVIN: This will be too busy, too hard and will be too busy trying to sustain this over long periods of time and generations.
MITCH: No. We get rid of the abortion laws in the United States, and we make it mandatory that all eighth-grade females be impregnated in order to graduate.
KEVIN: Oh, like replacing the crops. Ha, ha ha. Pun intended.
KEVIN: Also, I will work on getting the abortion ban you work on state-funded religious schools.
MITCH: We don't have to do either. Lindsay and I took care of that with the new SCOTUS.
This is what the post looked like on TikTok at the time of writing:
(Source: Lead Stories screenshot of the tiktok.com/@karressmarie4 account.)
What went viral on social media was not a video recording of the supposed conversation but an audio track in which a third person reads (archived here and here) what posts claim is a transcript.
However, a search across news articles on Google and Yahoo (archived here) didn't yield credible journalistic articles about it.
Back in July 2022, when the "alleged leaked conversation" supposedly took place, no credible media organization covered such a story, either (archived here).
The recording was posted with no evidence - documents, witnesses, recordings nor photos, that would permit independent verification that the words were the transcript of an actual conversation. Indeed, the post calls it an "alleged" conversation.
Lead Stories repeatedly contacted McConnell and McCarthy, who had already left the House at the time of writing, but did not receive a response. If we get more information, this article will be updated as appropriate.
